194: Vincent Paterson Q&A

Vincent Paterson returns to The MJCast, joining Elise Capron and Q for a listener Q&A. Paterson, who first appeared on the show in 2017 (on #TheMJCast064), is an iconic director and choreographer whose career has spanned across film, theater, pop music tours, TV, commercials, and much more. Within the MJ fan community he is, of course, best known for his work with the King of Pop. With Michael Jackson, he played a central role in creating some of the most memorable moments in pop culture history, from the short films for “Beat It” and “Thriller”, where he was a lead dancer and also assistant choreographer, to working on the short films for “The Way You Make Me Feel”, “Speed Demon”, “Dirty Diana” and “Smooth Criminal”, (for which he developed Michael’s unforgettable “lean” move), and, later, the “Black Or White” and “Blood on the Dance Floor” films. He also worked on the live performance side, directing the Bad World Tour, the 1988 Grammys performance, the MTV 10th Anniversary performance, the Super Bowl, and more.

Paterson’s resume extends far beyond Michael Jackson as well. He has worked closely with Madonna, George Harrison, Van Halen, Ringo Starr, Paul McCartney, Diana Ross, Lionel Ritchie, Whitney Houston, and many more. His choreography in major motion pictures can be seen in work such as “Evita”, “The Birdcage”, “Hook”, and “Dancer in the Dark”, just to name a few.

In 2022, Paterson published his memoir, “Icons and Instincts: Choreographing and Directing Entertainment’s Biggest Stars”, which details his fascinating journey through dance, stage, screen, and beyond.

Paterson is widely recognized as one of America’s greatest choreographers, and the team feels so privileged to have had him on the show back in Season Three for a career-spanning interview, and now, to have him return for a focused discussion around questions sent in from fans.

The MJCast thanks everyone who contributed questions — we wish we could have included each and every submission in our chat! (Note: The hosts had to consolidate some questions for the sake of the flow of the conversation. Also, at the time of recording, Vincent had not yet seen the biopic, so those questions could not be addressed. Thank you for understanding.)

This episode was edited by Charlie Carter.

Questions:
1) Jacksongirl2300 (Instagram): Hi, Vincent. First, it was really good to meet you at the “This Is Thriller” event in October 2024. I would love to ask the five W’s on your introduction to Michael
2) Charlie Carter (Facebook): During the filming for the Beat It music video, how much interaction did you have with the “gang” members and how would you describe the atmosphere between them? Were there any moments where you thought it might kick off?
3) MJsBADdie (X): Why didn’t the dancer on the left in the Beat It video know the choreography?
4) Dane Thomson (X): How did they come to choose the arrangement of the zombies during the Thriller dance? Particularly the two ladies to Michael’s left and right. They stand out really well. Do you know the intention behind it if there was one?
5) Cindy Messina (Instagram): Beside the zombie teeth from Thriller you showed us at This is Thriller, did you keep anything else from the set of any of the other projects you were part of?
6) Paul Dwyer (Facebook): I’ve heard conflicting stories around the “LEAN” in the smooth criminal video. Were wires & harnesses used? Or was it those patented shoes? I presume you & MJ worked on the choreography for an amount of time before the shoot. How did your choreography inline with that iconic move? When was that move conceived?
7) MJsBADdie (X): What parts of the Smooth Criminal short film did Michael conceptualize? Was the spin on the table Michael freestyling or movie magic? What parts of the choreography did Michael tweak to fit his movements?
8) Connor Jake Elder (Instagram): Hi Vincent, I’m a huge fan of your work. Your collaborations with Michael inspired me to start dancing at five years old, and I haven’t stopped since. I’d love to ask: In Smooth Criminal, there’s that incredible moment where the music stops, the cat walks across the piano, Michael lets out the “oooh,” and the performance builds into the final “Annie, Are You Okay?” crescendo. It feels intensely emotional and almost primal. Did Michael ever explain what he was trying to express through that sequence?
9) Porter Wolff (Instagram): Michael Jackson’s original concept for Smooth Criminal was a western—did he ever discuss that idea with you?
10) Bucatini6 (Instagram): I’ve seen photos of Robert DeNiro visiting the set of Smooth Criminal and I’ve read that perhaps Fred Astaire all visited? Undoubtedly MJ’s outfit was a homage to Astaire- Do you have recollection of these visits? Thank you.
11) Etebeye (Instagram): Hi, Vincent. Your book is a must-read for everyone in performing arts! Your collaborations with Michael are a masterclass in creativity. The MTV10 Will You Be There performance I feel doesn’t get enough props when it’s one of the most artistic and intricate choreographies Michael’s ever done. Could you please walk us through how that piece was developed?
12) Gratian Dimech (X): I’d love to know more about the BOTDF shoot. Such a simple but amazing piece. What was it like directing it with Michael?
13) Leah Thompson (Facebook): Can you please tell us any treasured memories from the blood on the dance floor choreography and video?
14) Luma (X): How was the process of Michael learning salsa to the Blood on the dance floor video?
15) D. | magicmikelegacy (X): In blood on the dance floor Michael dances salsa. Is there any other genre of dance that Michael could do besides his own pop/hip hop style that we mostly saw him do.
16) Porter Wolff (Instagram): Can you talk about the 8mm version of the Blood on the Dance Floor video?
17) Eddie Santos (email): Did you guys end up doing two versions of the blood on the dance floor short film?
18) Lisa Croft (X): Seeing how hard Jaafar physically trained for the role, what was Michael’s warm up/workout routine to stay fit to dance? Curious, since there is no footage of Michael ever exercising or working out.
19) Rini (X): What was your and Michael’s process for creating the main choreography? Was it a lot of freestyling and seeing what stuck?
20) Sydney Caree (X): MJ would often take a routine home and rehearse it before the next rehearsal, is there any moment(s) where he changed something in the choreo or added something to it after practicing?
21) Yoann Bomal (X): Are the movements in the choreographies meant to tell a story?
22) MJsBADdie (X/Twitter): What choreography was the most fun to perform?
23) Carol (X): What’s his fave MJ vid he choreographed? Are there any MJ vids he wish he could’ve choreographed, but didn’t get the chance to?
24) Etebeye (Instagram): Why did Michael prefer to dance in loafers even at rehearsals and didn’t those hurt after hours of dancing? And, in the 90s, who paid better, Michael Jackson, Inc. or Madonna, Inc.?
25) Porter Wolff (Instagram): Were there any music video concepts that were planned but never came to fruition?
26) Monique Kinnest (Instagram): If he could choreograph any MJ song, what would it be?
27) Porter Wolff (Instagram): If you had the chance to direct a short film for a song that never received one, which song would you choose, and what direction would you take? (I personally believe Dangerous would have made a great “sequel” in theme to Smooth Criminal, the choreography from the live performances are amazing)
28) Lisa Croft (X): What does he think of the recent Bob Fosse – Michael Jackson discourse on Twitter?
29) Yoann Bomal (X): Did Michael like Bob Fosse’s films beyond just the dancing? Because they’re sometimes quite harsh and very sexual.
30) Gareth Morton (Facebook): What is your opinion of the Beat It gang scene in the Michael biopic?
31) Yoann Bomal (X): What does he think about the “Beat It” sequence from the Biopic, what’s real & what’s not?
32) MJsBADdie (X/Twitter): How was it seeing Jaafar as Michael when you were on set?
33) Sydney Caree (X): I’m assuming you have seen the biopic (if not why), what rating would you give it and which scene was your favorite?
34) Karina Polina-Saliba (Instagram): I have seen the BTS footage for Michael and I saw you actually had the chance to see the making of the concert scenes with Jafaar. You were there with other past collaborators like Jennifer Batten, Greg P, Jonathan the drummer and others. How did it feel like for you seeing familiar faces again and seeing the recreation of those iconic concert moments? Did you also provide any input at all? Or were you just invited out of courtesy? 🙂 Lastly did you watch the movie and what did you think of it?
35) Cindy Messina (Instagram): Were you involved as a consultant for the Michael biopic? Have you received an apology from the Estate or anyone from the Jackson family regarding the premier?
36) Simon Barré-Brisebois (Threads): Have you ever gotten any involvement in the making of the Michael Jackson biopic? Were you interviewed by the director and his crew and did you meet the actor who portrayed you? If yes, what did you speak about?
37) Anne (X): Bjork famously wore a dress with MJ on it to the Golden Globes and MJ asked Bjork a question during a web chat. It seems there was a mutual appreciation. Did Bjork ever mention MJ while you did Dancer in the dark? Also do you think there were similarities between them as artists?
38) Deidre Jericho (Instagram): My questions for Vincent are: 1. You worked with Michael across multiple creative eras, but I’m curious about the quieter moments between the spectacle. Was there ever a moment where you really saw the weight he was carrying as a person, not just Michael Jackson the icon? AND 2. And now that a new generation is rediscovering him through clips, memes, biopics, and social media fragments, what do you think people still fundamentally misunderstand about who he was?
39) Porter Wolff (Instagram): What are your thoughts on the estate and how it has managed his legacy since his passing? Projects you liked, disliked? What would you like to see them do?
40) Camilla Mæle Ruud (X): What do you wish the world knew about Michael that would give them a better understanding of who he was?
41) Maksim_mikivic (Instagram):  What is your favorite memory or what do you miss the most?
42) Mammo Jess (Facebook): What is your most treasured memory with Michael?
43) Samantha Gardiner (email): if you could go back and re live one moment from working with Michael what would it be and why?
44) Jacksongirl2300 (Instagram): What are you up to nowadays?

Additional Links
TheMJCast Episode 64: Vincent Paterson Special, our deep-dive interview with Vincent.
• Vincent’s website.
• Purchase link for Vincent’s memoir, “Icons and Instincts: Choreographing and Directing Entertainment’s Biggest Stars”.

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EXCLUSIVE: MJ the Musical Heading for Melbourne – Charlie Carter Reviews

After what seemed like a long wait since 2021 for Australian lovers of musical theatre, February 2025 saw MJ The Musical finally hit Australian shores at the Sydney Lyric Theatre, housed in the Star City Casino complex. The show had won 4 prestigious Tony Awards during it’s continuing run on New York’s Broadway and opened to enthusiastic crowds in London’s West End. Due to the success of the New York run, the show was taken on the road in the USA and will be again later in 2025 – extending into Canada too. But for Australian fans I can exclusively reveal that next week will see an official announcement that MJ The Musical will be coming to Melbourne later this year.

My source – who wishes to remain anonymous for obvious reasons – has told me that logistics for the cast and crew are being looked into, and that a theatre for the run has already been chosen. Though he could neither confirm nor deny, I believe it to be Her Majesty’s Theatre in Melbourne as there is a nice gap in the calendar that could be filled by an award-winning musical that is already in Australia.

By a little bit of luck, I ended up being able to go and see the show twice in the space of a few days last week here in Sydney – a colleague had won discounted tickets and had seen the show already, and wasn’t able to attend. She graciously offered them to us and my wife decided – as it was my birthday – to buy them for us. She then dutifully checked her emails to find she had also won discounted tickets for another show that week! “Do you want to go twice?!” she asked, knowing full well it wasn’t a question that needed an answer!

The first show was on a Tuesday night. We couldn’t believe our luck to find we were in the stalls – second row, towards the left hand side of the stage as we looked at it. The second show – Sunday lunchtime – we were in the dress circle, and honestly I can’t really tell you which one I preferred! I loved both seats for different reasons. I had never been so close to the front of a musical or any other show, save for once seeing The Darkness at The Enmore and a second row table seeing Kevin Bloody Wilson. Slightly different vibe there!

So what of the show itself? After all the hype, the awards, the reviews on shows like The MJCast, the controversy around the content from fans, the issues some members of the fan community have with the Michael Jackson Estate – primarily those that run it and what they produce – how can I give this show a succinct summary? The truth is, I can’t. I quickly realised within a few minutes of the start that I was going to have to look at this show from two viewpoints; that of an almost lifelong Michael Jackson fan who is now part of a team creating The MJCast and counts a member of the Jackson family as a friend, and that of a regular member of the public going to watch a musical.

As an MJ fan, there were issues. We have discussed on The MJCast the problems with some comments the show’s writer Lynn Nottage had made about Michael Jackson’s character (please do have a listen to those shows), but I will keep my review here based purely on what I saw in the show. The plot of the show is based around preparations in 1992 for the upcoming Dangerous World Tour, and Michael’s desire to create a dynamic and unique spectacle for his fans – complete with Toaster and rocket pack. Spoiler – we don’t see the rocket pack during the musical, and unlike the real Dangerous World Tour we don’t see “Michael” exit the show by flying said rocket pack over the crowd. Would have been difficult to pull that off in an enclosed theatre!

The issues that are apparent to fans won’t necessarily be as obvious or even noticeable to non-fans. For example, using songs such as Earth Song, 2 Bad, They Don’t Care About Us, Money, Stranger In Moscow, Tabloid Junkie – all not released until 1995’s HIStory album – in a story set in 1992 was interesting. Likewise, using the childhood Michael to sing songs that Michael released as an adult (Don’t Stop Til You Get Enough) was also a use of artistic licence. 

Those are minor details in comparison to factual inaccuracies such as the depiction of Michael Jackson’s drug dependency to get through the stress of rehearsals, when in reality the use and addiction didn’t come into play until well into 1993 and the Chandler allegations. Incidentally, these were alluded to with a simple line by one of the support staff in rehearsals when protesting Michael’s lavish ideas; “And who is this family he wants to bring on the tour?” though that could easily be referring to the Cascio’s who DID go on parts of the tour.

There were also suggestions in the show that Michael Jackson had to mortgage Neverland Ranch (with purported monthly running costs of $2million according to the show) in order pay for the extra staff, toaster and Rocket Pack, speakers and screens for the show. In 1992, Michael had only lived there for 4 years, had not yet built the train station or movie theatre, and had no money issues that would require him to re-mortgage Neverland to pay for any of this. Fans had issues with these aspects of the storyline as it painted Michael as in a state of desperation to achieve rather than a man at the top of his game just before the proverbial hit the fan in his personal life.

My friend and award-winning journalist Charles Thomson said on The MJCast during his review that at times the actor playing family patriarch Joseph Jackson also played Michael’s Tour Manager named “Rob” which was confusing. My wife commented that exact same thing because the very talented Derrick Davis switched between these characters, sometimes without leaving the stage and sometimes going directly from the dialogue of one into the dialogue of the other. This wasn’t exclusive to Joseph/Rob – many actors played multiple characters; Tito Jackson and Quincy Jones are played by Conlon Bonner, while Wonza Johnson plays Berry Gordy and “Nick”.

All that aside, MJ fans will enjoy the music and the passion that the cast bring to performing it on stage. The opening number is Beat It and Debbie Yap joins Michael on stage for an incredible live guitar solo – the closest I’ve ever heard to Eddie Van Halen’s original solo on the record. Liam Damons plays teenage/young adult Michael with energy and aplomb, nailing the dance moves and playing to the crowd. Josslynn Hlenti Afoa plays Katherine Jackson with compassion and sympathy, and unleashes a fantastic gospel choir voice at times in the show, being young Michael’s protector from Derrick Davis’s depiction of Joseph Jackson as a tyrannical father figure – abusively controlling over his family. 

While I’m on Joseph – early reviews suggested that the portrayal of Joseph as an evil man was over the top. Davis had a permanent scowl on his face while playing Joseph Jackson, and the scowl disappeared for “Rob” which was one way to discern which character was being played. I don’t know if the character has been toned down or not in the meantime, but aside from one moment in the show where Joseph struck childhood Michael (William Bonner) to the floor with a backhanded slap, to me it looked more like Joseph was depicted as a strict father with mostly stern words for his sons and threats/warnings to keep them in line, and disciplining them to be the best. Derrick Davis plays a difficult role very well, and remains likeable as Rob, if not so likeable as Joseph – resembling Mufasa in The Lion King, who Davis also played.

Roman Banks is outstanding as Michael Jackson. The moves are accurate, the inflections on the speech are great and the charisma is oozing out of him. From the stalls you know you are watching someone play Michael Jackson – from the dress circle, you sometimes think you are watching THE Michael Jackson. Apart from the obvious fact the the man has been gone for nearly 16 years, the only other thing that gave it away is that sometimes the speech was too whispery. The real man didn’t always use that breathy tone when he spoke, but let that take nothing away. Roman’s body language in all aspects of the show were the closest resemblance to the man I’ve seen in any show.

And that is a fairly detailed look at things as a Michael Jackson fan. The criticism from some of the media about the show is that it doesn’t address the demons in Michael Jackson’s later life – the allegations of criminal conduct. But it isn’t meant to. It is meant to be a piece of entertainment showcasing the musical talent and dancing ability of the greatest entertainer of all time. It is not meant to be a biography, and that is why artistic licence is taken. That is why 1995 songs appear in a musical set in 1992. That is why allegations in 1993, 2003 and a trial in 2005 aren’t mentioned. It is a story written by Lynn Nottage loosely based on a real person and parts of their very colourful life.

There are moments of comedy in there too. “If I don’t do these things, God will give my ideas to Prince.” Something Michael actually said in his life, but woven into a script to get a laugh. Firing a water pistol at his handlers to defuse tension, disguising himself and asking “Who’s Michael Jackson?” before revealing himself. In many ways the musical is a sympathetic telling of some of Michael’s personal struggles with people’s lies about him. In others, it completely destroys his character by suggesting he was a pill-popping nutcase that refused to take no for an answer. Neither of which is true to life, neither of which is meant to be.

And so how would I review the show as a regular member of the public going to see a musical? Well, I don’t pretend to be a connoisseur of musical theatre. I’ve seen We Will Rock You and Jersey Boys in London, Thriller Live and The Lion King in Sydney. MJ The Musical beats them all by far. As a piece of entertainment, complete with fantastic music woven into a story and performed with energy and passion I’ve never seen a musical like it. The only show I can compare it to is MJ One in Las Vegas which while also a project of the troublesome MJ Estate, was an outstanding world class spectacle itself.

The choreography is fantastic and keeps you engaged and amazed. While it is inspired by the original choreography of Michael Jackson’s songs there are subtle differences. The only song which is truly left to the real choreography is the one Michael Jackson performed on his own with no backing dancers – the iconic Billie Jean, complete with a silky moonwalk.

In conclusion, for the Michael Jackson fan this is a must see show – providing you are prepared to understand it is a fictional story based on the myth, not a biography of the man. You will notice the inaccuracies and they will frustrate you, but remove yourself from that and you will have a wonderful time enjoying the show. If you are a member of the public wishing to see an entertaining show with brilliant music, choreography and charisma you will quickly understand why MJ The Musical has won so many awards and is still running in New York and London. And until August, right here in Sydney. 

Australian fans, get your tickets and watch out for a fan gathering on 25th June – the 16th anniversary of Michael Jackson’s passing. As far as Sydney is concerned the show has a hard stop in August as Back To The Future moves into the Lyric Theatre in September. Demand has been plentiful – certainly enough to warrant extending the original May end date out to August instead. As things stand the final show will be 23rd August. You can’t help but feel that 29th August would have been an appropriate end date that would have had more fanfare. Why? Michael Jackson was born on 29th August 1958.

Meanwhile, I’m checking my calendar for later in the year when I can book a trip to Melbourne to visit family. And quite possibly Her Majesty’s Theatre for another viewing of this spectacular show. Remember, you heard it here first!

Article by Charlie Carter.